Can Synchronicity Help Us Heal? Mary Glesige Explains

[Music] Hello and welcome to Author Conversations. As usual, I'm Chris Dabbs and my guest today is Mary Glesige, author of "Open the Gate" a journey into synchronicistic healing. Now, Mary has spent more than 40 years exploring spirituality, meditation, and a wide range of holistic practices. But this book is also a very personal story. It's about illness. It's about grief. It's about intuition, synchronicity, and ultimately learning to become your own advocate. Mary, welcome to author conversations.

It's a pleasure to have you here. Thank you so much, Chris. I am very anxious to be here and talk to you. Yes, sir. Thank you. Excellent. Well, that's a good start. So, I tell you what, let's dive straight into the question, then. Firstly, you'd already spent many years exploring healing and spiritual practices, as I mentioned, before you became seriously unwell yourself. I mean, did that kind of experience change the way you understood everything that you thought you already knew and were therefore passing on to others?

I mean, how did it affect you? Well, you know, Chris, when you are extremely ill, you have a tendency to fall into that energy of pain and hurting. And when you do fall into the pain and hurt it, you forget everything that you know kind of goes out the window. And you have to remember that when I became ill was 2020. And so, this was a time of COVID. I did not have COVID. But what happened with COVID is it that created an isolation. Everybody isolated themselves because they didn't want to get COVID.

I became very ill. And I didn't have any support. I didn't have anyone. I didn't have the animals that I have now. I was by myself and there were neighbors, but no one would come and help me because of COVID. So, I was by myself. So, I kind of got absorbed into the pain and everything that I had learned as far as healing kind of was just out there because the pain took over. And I just got to the point where I, it wasn't like, okay, Mary, you got this pain. But what can you do about it? I wasn't there.

I was just too absorbed into the pain. I would rock at night in pain and cry. So I allowed myself to get into the pain instead of backing up. Until my daughter called me and then when she called me, I started to have a straighter mind about what did I need to do? What could I do till I got help? And my oldest daughter was coming to see me for Thanksgiving. And I hadn't been able to go to a physician because of the fact of COVID. I had already been to Egypt and they didn't want to see you if you'd been out of the country.

And there were a lot of people who were being diagnosed with COVID that didn't have COVID. I did not have COVID. I knew I didn't have COVID. And so I had to wait till my daughter came and she came and she helped me and she took me to the doctor. And then the doctor told me that he thought I had rheumatoid arthritis. And the medical test did not support that diagnosis. He said, I can still send you to a rheumatologist and I said, no, I don't want to do that because he told me that the medication was very hard on the body.

And I happened to be a person who believes in natural medicine or a natural way of handling things. But I had let the pain take over that knowledge. And so I had to get back to that knowledge. And so he gave me steroids and that masked the pain, but it didn't find the source. He didn't know what the source was. He had no idea what it was. And when I told him that I thought that this was a parasite that I had picked up in Egypt, he just kind of put the idea. And I have learned a lot since then that a lot of medical doctors do not understand parasites, what they can do to the body, what they have done to your body.

And so I decided that I needed to become my own advocate. I had to find my way. And luckily enough, I had a friend of mine who was not only an MD, but a holistic physician. And she said, come see me. So I went to see her. And she said, the first thing we need to do is we need to clean out your stomach. We need to clean out all of your intestines. We need to get your body back on track. But she happens to be one who is a very spiritual sister with me. So we have gone to retreats together. So not only is she an MD and could understand the test results that my doctor had given me, but she did holistic medicine.

So she knew naturally what to give me, what I would want to do because she understood that natural part of me and how to get me back. And she got me back into the meditation and the yoga, which I had gone away from because of the fact that I had been so ill, but she brought it back to me into that and into the Ayurvedic concept. I don't know if you know what Ayurvedic is, but it's a concept of healing. It means science of life. And so the yoga and the meditation and the breathing are all part of the Ayurvedic system.

So I was able to bring that back in for myself and start to become my own advocate in my own way. But she helped me carry and help me get back on that track. She helped me to reset my mind and help me to move forward. And so I had, I had some very good friends and of course she was not afraid of COVID. And so, but I did not, I don't believe in vaccines for me. Anybody else wants to do that? That's your call. That's what you decide for yourself. I did not do that and she did not do that. So she and I are on the same page.

And we did meditation in yoga every day. And then she also gave me the right foods that I needed to make sure that my body was on track and was getting back to some kind of normalcy. So I owe a great deal of thanks to her. And so I came home and I continued and I started searching what I needed to do and searching and talking with different people. And it was interesting because I had a very good friend who sent me a book called The Magic by Ronda Burn and it is a book on gratitude. And so it was a 28 day kind of a journal that you do and being grateful for everything in your life that you already have, everything in your life that you did have and being appreciative and thankful and your gratitude for the everything that the smallest thing from the garbage man who picks up your garbage to the garbage cans to the toilet paper that you have and where it came from.

So it's being grateful for every little thing that you have had that you do have and that you will have. And I found that when I did that, that the synchronicity just started flowing to me and people started coming into my life and different modalities that I hadn't tried and thought of started appearing. And I realized that this is what I needed to find. I needed to find this path that led me from one modality to another that was combined in. For instance, if I could share this with you, is an ancestral work.

I never thought that ancestral work had anything beneficial. I thought, ah, it's ancestral. And I found out that was true. I had a friend who had a course and I took his course, but it wasn't enough. And I had another friend who was PhD and a doctor and she has a class and we did this online class because it was still covered of family and sister and I really enjoyed it and woke up to realize that I was carrying my father's problems, that I was hurting and at night and I could barely move. Before I saw my friend Karen, I had a demon all over my body.

My joints hurt, my legs hurt. I could barely sit down. And when I after I saw Karen, I started getting better and then when I did the book, I started getting better and then I realized with the ancestry that my father who did have rheumatoid and gown arthritis and was an over 40 style Vatican. His hands were like this because he was in such bad shape and as well as his feet and his legs and he would take one step at a time going up and down the stairs and I found myself doing the same thing. Sorry to interrupt that Mary.

Some people might just think that you're talking about ancestry.com or something along those lines. When you've just got a little hobby and you're doing that, but what you're talking about is bringing over ancestral trauma or something like that. Is that right? Yes, it's called constellation work. Right, okay. A constellation work and if you look at constellation work, it's about the whole family and looking at the whole picture. And so the plan is completely different than going to ancestry.com.

And that's nothing to do with ancestry.com. It has to do with the traumas, the good and the bad, the highs and the lows of what you have had in your family for generations. How far back are you carrying something? You know, you're told by the doctor sometimes that you inherited this condition from your mother or from your grandmother or grandfather. For instance, my son was told that he had inherited from his other grandmother. This has to do with blood disease that you have and he could bleed out.

And so he has to take something for that. Now that's descended and we know that from medical, but do you have to own that? You're talking about the mind and the emotions. Do you have to really own that? And what I found out for me is that I did not because I was owning my father. I did not have to own that. That was him. That was for him. Those were his issues and what he had to deal with, but I had incorporated them because I had seen it since I was a child. But what I learned in the class is that I don't have to own them.

I can give them back. Now that takes a lot of work. Emotionally, mentally and spiritually. And it's not something that you just snap your fingers and it goes away. It's a constant work. I'm still working on it. I still work through that. I still have some problems going up and downstairs. And then I have to accept that, okay, this is where I am. Let's keep moving forward. Let's don't give in to the pain anymore. We have to manage that pain and that's what I do. Because there are times when I hurt not as bad as I did before because I have learned an anti-inflammatory diet.

What I have is severe inflammation that causes a demon sometimes in my body. And so my legs will swell or my back up my knees will swell. And I have to manage that. I don't manage it by taking a water pill. I manage it now because I can do yoga. And I do the yoga and I do the anti-inflammatory diet which helps me to get rid of the excess fluid. And if you keep moving, you keep walking. I walk every day. I walk with my dogs. I take them out three times a day for 30 minutes or longer. And as far as I can go.

And I feel much better than I come back. And when I do my yoga, I have stretched my IT bands. Don't hurt anymore. And I'm feeling a whole much better for the rest of the day. Wow. I mean, you know, that sounds like, oh, yeah, take the dogs out. Oh, yeah, do some yoga and things. But I mean, it's taken a long time to get there, isn't it? In terms of five years. Five years. Five years. Five years. Five years. And I still have trouble with my legs. And I have to learn to what you can do and what you can push through.

And being very positive and don't let that negativity creep in and don't let, oh, my God, somebody come save me. No, I have to save myself. You're in charge of your one healing. I'm in charge of my own healing. And I have to find my way. Yeah. And from what, you know, what you said earlier on about the, well, I think you were inferring really the gut health and intestinal health as well. Yes. Yes. You know, that's super important, isn't it? And I don't think enough people understand that. I mean, so after you worked on that, were you feeling better because you actually managed to get rid of the parasite or did you just move on from that to the ancestral part?

I, if you have animals, you have parasites. Okay. So I have animals. So I'm constantly doing something to eliminate what might be, what I consider to be a parasite and is having, is giving me a problem that I think is in my body. And I find occasionally, and I'll take its warm wood just to let you know that. So I will sometimes, at night, put it in water and then drink it. And that helps to get rid of parasite. And I'll feel better in the morning. And I'll know whether or not it works. And then sometimes it's, it's drinking just like cinnamon or if I feel really bad, like I think I'm getting sick, then I'm going to have garlic because, you know, garlic is an antibiotic.

So you take a clove of garlic and you cut it up, you let it breathe. And then after about five minutes, you swallow that with water, that's an antibiotic. So it's natural. Yeah. So I find natural ways to take care of myself. And then there are days when it creeps in and I don't have, I don't have sugar. I don't have white flour. I do have one cup of coffee. I'm not supposed to have caffeine, but you know, that's my vice. I have to have one cup of coffee. So I have one cup of coffee. And but no flour and no white potato.

Nothing really starchy. I don't eat a lot of starches. I eat primarily protein and fruits and vegetables. And occasionally I'll have a piece of bread or occasionally I'll have some rice, something like that. But if I stick to that, my weight goes down. I feel better. I look better and my inflammation starts to go down. I found a course that a young man put together that has to do with understanding that if you want to get rid of the inflammation in your body, you have to change your diet. Because if you change your diet, that helps to get rid of the inflammation.

You want an anti-inflammatory diet, which works the best and combined with yoga and the meditation, I do quite well. I still have problems going up and downstairs. I had them to a physical therapist. They helped me. And what was so fun to go into the physical therapist was that the first exercise she had me do was down with bridge pose, which happens to be a yoga pose. Because she told me she said you don't have enough in your glutes. Your glutes aren't tight enough because that is your range of movement.

And your range of movement is lacking because you haven't tightened them up enough. So she gave me exercises and you have to do that tight in your glutes and your range of movement will come back. And it did. I found that it did. And then they told me what I was doing with my knees in order to get up and down the stairs a little bit better. So I still had that problem, but I'm working on it. And to obviously be an alpha, right? So and you've written up in the gate. And by the way, sorry, I was so sorry.

Okay, to do that part again as well. It's lucky I can edit, isn't it? Anyway, okay, great. Well, you know, that makes a lot of sense then. And now of course, you're an author too. So the title of the book, Open the Gate, has a really lovely meaning behind it, doesn't it? I mean, where did that phrase originally come from and what does opening it? And it generally phrase came from my youngest daughter went to the Hispanic College of Orn Design. And this was a picture that she had done. And it was a rose on a gate.

And I looked at that and I said, Open the gate. Open the gate to meditation, to yoga, to wellness. So I made a CD, a meditation CD many years ago because of how I was, I am a certified meditation instructor in primordial sound meditation. I'm a certified yoga instructor. I'm certified in Orn Yveta. And so I wanted to present to people a meditation, a guided meditation for those people who kept telling me I can't meditate. I can't meditate. I can't clear my mind. I said, we have to find a piece within yourself.

So I developed a guided meditation and I used that because I said it was to open the gate. Open the gate to your mind and listen to what's being in front of you and absorb it and take it in to find that piece within yourself. And that's what you need it to do. And so that's where Open the gate originated. And then when I started to write the book and when I first started writing the book, I thought, well, who's going to want to read this? And I said, well, I'm writing it for other people. And at one point in time, I'll tell you that this real quick is so that's where the title came from was my daughter.

As I was walking my dogs around the block and there was a man on a lawnmower and he was bent over and I wasn't sure what was wrong with him because I was having brightest block at the time. And I just couldn't get past it and I kept thinking, I had a lot of doubts about what I was writing. And I looked at him and I said, are you okay? And he lifted his head and very sad. And I said, are you okay? And he said, no, I'm not. He said, I have been to three doctors. They don't know what I have. And I'm going to another one tomorrow and I'm hoping you can do something for me.

Now, I noticed that this man had a little bit of a pouch of a belly. So I shared my story of how I went to my friend and cleaned out my gut and part of an expression but that's the term that most people use is cleaning out the gut and how that helped for me and it was kind of like a light bulb went off with him because he kind of perked up. And I said, you know, you might want to try something like that. And I think he did because he said, thank you. Thank you very much. And I said, you're welcome.

To me, that was a synchronicity event because I had my doubts. I had my righteous vlog and I go out to walk my dogs and here's this man and all of a sudden he needs help and I was able to help him with my story. So that told me synchronistically that what I was writing could possibly help for other people. And that was the purpose of my book was to write it for other people to share you can be your own advocate. You have more knowledge in yourself than you know. Just don't let the pain take you over.

Look at what you already know. Apply it to yourself and if your intuition leads you somewhere, pay attention. Pay attention to your intuition and try it out. If it doesn't work fine, do something else. But listen and if you are a diabetic physician, tell me when I was in my 40s having problems with my going into menopause, and he said, if you listen to your body, it will tell you what it needs. And that's very, very true. If you listen to your body, it will tell you what it needs. Exactly. And I mean, have you picked up any of this from all of your trips over to Egypt, which you know, the feature in your book and also I think you've been there several times.

So is that the reason why you go there? Is it more of a spiritual thing? Was it just because you like the vacation? No, I go to Egypt because of the spirituality. I know that in my past life or parallel laws, depending upon what you believe in, that I have been Egyptian in many lifetimes. And I go for the spirituality. And when you go to Egypt, the energy there is just like, wow. And I went because the very first time I went to Egypt, the Egyptologist was talking and it was like, I didn't even worry, said, I am an energy worker.

I am a righty answer. So I'm feeling this energy. And it's like he's going blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He's getting all this wonderful history of Egypt and nothing is going in. And I'm going, I have no idea what this place is about because of all of the energy. So I went back the second time to try to listen and the third time to listen. But then it was listening and the energy and the spirituality and going with a man who also does crystal bowls, who is a psychologist and he does crystal bowls and we would, he would take the crystal bowls in everywhere we went that if he could get them into the temples and into the great pyramid.

And that sound, the acoustics in the great pyramid is just beyond explanation really. And it's a huge spiritual event. And I have gone back several times. In 2020, I decided that I was going to go and take a group of women myself. And so I did. I took a group of women with an Egyptologist and went to Egypt and took them and then I put my hand in a sand at the sink. I had done an adaptation at the sinks, put my hand in a sand, something bit me or stung me. I did know what it was. People have speculated that it was probably a baby scorpion.

I said, if it was a baby scorpion, I think it would have really, really sit whether or not it was a baby or not from what I understand from what I read. And I surmised that it was some kind of parasite or a bug that I am highly allergic to mites of any kind and developed into a parasite. And I had parasites before. I've also been to India. And so for my yoga and reinforcing my yoga and my meditation was my trip to India as well as spiritual in going to India as well. So my trips mostly are spiritual but also to reinforce my education in what I know about yoga and meditation because even in Egypt we did that.

But in Egypt it was sound. It was the sounds that brought you there, that with Dr. Paul who did the balls and singing. And that sort of thing, it was a wonderful experience. Well, did you know, honestly, it sounds quite amazing. You had me when you said parallel lives, not just past lives. I'm like, wow, okay. But I can understand what you mean about the sound. Going to those sorts of places, again, I haven't been but I can imagine it. And I'm very, well, jealous, actually, that you're able to be able to look at all these things in a sort of in a holistic way, right?

And to understand the synchronicity of everything. I mean, you're also exploring what shamanism is at how you pronounce it. I hope not shamanism is a bit shamanism. I say shamanism, what are you saying is correct. It's got a lot of like a bit of tomato, shaman, shamanism, whatever. Yeah, okay. So shamanism, intuition, obviously meditation features a lot. And you've got personal spiritual experiences as you were saying. So how is your understanding of all of that spirituality then changed as you've become older maybe or as you're recovering through illness or that times in your life, where things have changed.

Maybe you chose them to change or maybe you had employment issues or relationship issues or whatever it was. Do you think your spiritual energy changed over the course of your life then? Oh, yes. I was born and raised a Christian and believed in the natural process of Christianity, if you will. And I don't know what you were right raised in, but I was raised in the first perspiration in church and the Methodist church. And as somewhere along the line, I don't know why or how. It just didn't seem to make sense to me of what everybody was saying.

I said, there seems to be more. And then when I became an energy worker, it was into the energy and feeling that energy. And when I feel that spiritual energy that moves me, I know that this is God universal energy that helps me to grow. And I don't know what to call it. Sometimes I call it God, sometimes I call it a universe. And it has become a beautiful spiritual journey for me in going through different places and exploring Buddhist, for instance, Hinduism and just explore Judaism. And I want to explore those different processes and the different religions and what people believe also Catholicism.

I explored Catholicism because it was different from what I believed. And so that helped me to grow because it helped me to understand the feelings and spirituality of other people. And to honor that within them, and hopefully they would do it to me as well. And we could honor each other in that perspective. And it has helped me a great deal because it is the spirituality that I go back to as well. It's like I have in studying shamanism. I have what is called the Pacta Kutti Mesa because I studied under the tutelage of Donuts from Miracles out of them.

And so I have that every morning or every evening when I am drawn to it, I usually do it every day. I sit in front of that. And that reflects the energies of what is outside within as well. What I mean by that is the earth is our bones and our tendons and our legaments. Then we have water which we know that we are about 70% water. We have wind, we breathe, we have sun, that's the digestive system. And then we have what is called the Kwechi which is has to be with the rainbow of life. And that has to do with our chakra system and understanding that chakra system and how that brings balance into our lives up to the male and female.

So there's just so much out there and unlike a sponge, I'm like a sponge, I like to learn it, to practice it, to know it and to be it and to live it. And that's who I am and I try to reflect that in my book. Then you need to be authentic. I had to be authentic. I had to share who I am in the beliefs that I have because that's who I am. And that's what works for me. Might not work for you but that's okay. You have to find out what works for you and do it. And hopefully you can do that and apply it to yourself for you to become your own advocate.

Well, I mean that's the really important thing isn't it being an advocate and actually understanding what it is that you need and being able to push forward. I think as well you've mentioned in the book about grief. After the loss of your husband Tom, that sort of thing. That's always hard to talk about and if you don't want to talk about it, that's fine. I'm sure you will understand. But I mean, did dealing with grief like that become part of your wider journey then towards your wellness and towards your understanding of spirituality?

Yes. I imagine, I can say, I imagine that you probably felt that because of your beliefs, assuming that you had them before you lost Tom, that you probably were able to deal with it better than somebody who's just black and white kind of thing or an atheist or an agnostic or whichever one it is. Is that about right? Well, let me tell you that I was married to one of a beautifully intellectual man who said to me, "Do whatever makes you happy." And he was a football beer drinking kind of guy. He was not spiritual.

I was spiritual. And he would even take me. He took me to my first trip with Sedona and he took me to Sedona. I had been to a trip in Binnany in the Bahamas to swim with dolphins. He didn't want to go. He'd been in the Navy. He traveled in his job. You go. Okay. So, I went and then I wanted to go to Sedona and he said, "Okay, I'll take you." But he loved to go in the United States. He hadn't explored the United States. So I said, "Okay." So we went to Sedona and I went out. And I said, "I need to meditate with the land."

So we went to one of the vortices and I, he left me. I was sitting in an area and he left me, but he could see me. So he left me to do my thing. He did not have a problem with me doing whatever I needed to do for my own spirituality. He was not interested in participating. But if it made me happy, he was happy. And he kept an eye on me because he wanted to make sure I was safe. And that was the kind of person that I was married to. I was married to a man who let me be who I needed to be. And he needed to be who I needed to be.

He needed to watch his foot. Oh, but sometimes I would watch with him, very often. But he was a very sports kind of minded guy. And he loved to go to the Indianapolis 500. And that was think that he had done with his family. And he made 49 years. He didn't make it his 50th year. But he made 49 years to the Indianapolis 500. And that was the thing that he loved to do. He's a sports guy. I was not so great. And he was okay with it. We were okay with each other. Yeah. That's quite rare, isn't it? Yeah.

He had several children. So there were things that we did do together. Yeah, of course, of course. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Great. Yeah. And he was a big water scare. He loved to water ski. And he built the beautiful house on the lake with a dock. And it was a beautiful place. And he was a beautiful man and a beautiful person. And he was my rock for 40 years. And it was tough for me when he passed. My children were a great help. But I was kind of like when you lose someone, you're in kind of Lala land for a while.

And I was there for a while. But I know, once I got over the initial shock of losing it, even though I knew because he had lung cancer that he was going to pass, we both knew that. And once I got over his actual leaving, I have felt him and I know that he's here. And I know that he's around me because I can feel his spirit. And I believe that he is just simply in a level of consciousness, which I will transcend too whenever it is that I'm supposed to transcend too. And that is a parallel life, which is going on simultaneously.

As you and I are sitting here talking, he said, "In another parallel life with me, and I'll be there eventually too." Yeah. Maybe something's wrong. To me, I think that's quite comforting as well, isn't it? To understand that and it really helps. I get it. And I think it must be really comforting to feel that and know that as well. I also have to mention Ellie and Dizzy, because you write that your dogs actually saved you. I mean, that's amazing. You mean literally? How did having them in your life give you that particular point then?

Well, they're two little spirits. I don't see them just as dogs. I see them as spirits who chose me and I chose them. And that was one of the most beautiful experiences. I had been sick. I thought that I was so sick that I was going to have to go into a nursing home. And I even looked into nursing homes. And my youngest son, who at the time lived in Denver, Colorado, and he said, "Mom, I can take care of you, but you have to move closer." So I said, "Okay. So I went out to look at condominiums or homes."

And I really didn't find anything. I was somewhat disappointed in the realtor that I was with who also sent me the book that I was talking about before. I said, "I foster dogs." And I said, "Would you like to go because I'm going to pick up a black lab for my daughter?" And I said, "Sure. I had dogs, but I had to even talk about getting an animal at all." And so I went with her, they had just brought this truckload of dogs in from Texas. And running around in front of me was this brown chihuahua with the biggest brown eyes, looking out at me.

And this male chihuahua was chasing her. And it was like, "Oh, please, please save me." And I did. I looked at her and I felt instantly and madly in love with her. And then so I picked her up and I adopted her right away. And then I saw this other dog, this little white chihuahua, part terrier, Ellie. And Ellie was a very spirited dog. She was literally climbing the chain link fence to get out. She did not like to be corralled. She just did not like to be confined. And she couldn't do that. So she fell down and started digging her way out frantically, trying to get underneath the gate.

And I liked to see her too. So I held her and she just shook all over. She was so scared, so scared. And Izzy had been a street dog, but Ellie had been adopted and given up. She had had puppies. And then they gave her up. And I think they were going to breed her, but it didn't work out with her personality. Because terriers are very hard to train. And so they just brought me so much happiness. And it was hard to get them home, but I got them back to Kentucky, which is where I was living. And let them go into the house and they were all over the place and all over each other.

And just running and jumping and playing. I didn't realize how much that energy, that magnetic energy of laughing and playing two little animals playing brought me so much happiness. And I didn't realize that that was on an everyday level with them. And I didn't realize that every day that brought me great love and great happiness and great joy and great laughter. All of the positive, wonderful attributes and emotions that you really need to have to get better. And I did get better. I started getting better because of their energy and what they brought to me.

And then they would curl up next to me at night, even though they had a bed. They would crawl up next to me at night and they would sleep next to me and curl next to me. So it was beautiful and it is beautiful. It's still as beautiful and that's just the way they are. And that has brought me and stayed with me and threw them and I would not get out and walk if I didn't have them. Which means I probably would be in a wheelchair instead of where I am because I have to take the map. I had a house that had a fenced in backyard and I still walked them.

That was a new time and my son moved from Denver to Utah. And so then I bought a house in Utah and I did but I still walked them. In Sedona, I have no, I'm in a condo. There is no backyard that is gated. So I have to walk them. I have to get out. I have to move. That's what you have to do. That's what I have to be my own advocate to keep myself going. I have to keep my. I understand the energy that you are talking about there with dogs as well. It is my one dog. If I work late nights or whatever and I come home in the morning and he just looks at me and goes, "Oh, dad!"

Like this. It does make your heart melt, doesn't it? It really does. I have had children too. But they are a pain. But anyway, they are not. Sorry guys. They are not at all. But the dog Barney is completely different. So that is one of the things. Listen Mary, we are running out of time unfortunately. I know. But listen to you all day and all night. I think what you say is fascinating. But you can see. Well, no, it is. I mean, finally, for someone reading open the gates who may be going through their own difficult period right now, whether it is illness or whether it is grief or whatever it is, what do you most hope that they take away from your story?

I hope that they take away that they have more knowledge within themselves than they know. To listen to their body, to listen to their intuition and to follow it and realize that you are much smarter than you give yourself credit for. And you are in charge of making a decision and making a choice of what really suits you the best. Find your way. Find your authenticity. Listen to your intuition. Listen to your body. Enjoy life. And find if you are alone in isolated, get an animal. Bring that love and that life and that energy back into your life.

Make everyday positive, everyday grateful for whatever it is you have or have had and will have. Be in gratitude. It is a marvelous and beautiful energy to be every single day. I say that before I get out of bed that I am grateful that I am awake and I have these wonderful dogs and that I have this wonderful place where I live and I am just in great gratitude. And I think it really does work. That is the energy that you need to have. Embrace yourself. Embrace yourself. Exactly. So be grateful and also bring energy into your own life.

Fantastic. Mary, give us all your social details, websites and all that sort of stuff so people can get in contact with you because I am sure people will. So yeah, what is the best way to get in touch with you? Well that would be nice for everybody to be able to get in touch with me. Right now I have a website that is not up yet. It is in the making. It is MaryDGlesige.com. If you go online you will see that it is in process. And then I am currently on Facebook, Glesige and then I am on LinkedIn as MaryDGlesige.

So you can go to LinkedIn if you are not. I would suggest it to you for a professional person to join LinkedIn. You might find it to be very beneficial in connecting with many people all over the world. Well, Mary Glesige, thank you so much for joining me. I mean it has been great. As you can tell I have been listening. I think it is fantastic. I really do. Thank you for having me. That was fun. I am now going to go off and be very thankful and quite spiritual I think tonight and tell my wife about this because she is into the gut health and all of this.

So there would be quite nice talk about that for once. But this is everybody. Thank you very much for watching and listening. Mary's book is Open the Gate. A journey into synchronicity, as we have been hearing. It is a very personal story about illness, spirituality, grief, synchronicity and learning to trust yourself a little more along the way. Mary, it has been a pleasure talking to you and thank you for watching with the conversations everyone else. I am Chris Dabbs. Goodbye. Take care Mary.

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