What If We’ve Misunderstood Jesus? | Hans Peter von Liechtenstein

[silence] Hi and welcome to author conversations. As usual, I'm Chris Dabbs, and today we're joined by a very special guest, called Hans Peter Fryer von Lichtenstein. Now, Hans Peter is a historian, a researcher, and author dedicated to exploring the hidden connections between history, faith, and human origin. Now, with more than 22 years of continued, over 4,200 pages of research, and 14 published and false works is writing challenges, conventional, historical, and spiritual narratives. Now, this is done through a combination of ancient sources, archaeology, and philosophical insights.

So, through works examining figures such as Jesus, Moses, Noah, and King Solomon, Hans invites readers through question-established beliefs, and kind of readers' self-respect, so being overlooked all for a proper and across time. Now, his mission is to encourage deeper understanding, dependent thoughts, and to re-mute exploration of humanity's spiritual and cultural foundations. Now, I've got to say, after all of that, I'm just going to head over to you, Hans Peter. How are you? It's me. Hi Chris, and bless you all.

This is amazing. First, how good you spelled the name. It's really amazing. And the second, if you said some roots, I got goosebumps all over my body. So, I think this will be an amazing conversation together. I will like it. Yeah, I absolutely think this is from great energy. Yeah, it's great. Okay, so here we go then. Let's get into this. Your book is called "The Jesus Twins", right? That's one of the books here. Okay, I'll exit. So, I think that's the one we're talking about today. Yes. Why did you feel that this story needed to be told particularly now?

This is a really interesting question. Frankly, I have to tell you, I didn't draw that book by myself. I would say it was written through me. I think this would be more specialized on the point. So, I hadn't even had an idea to write this one day before. It was the same like with Noah. It was the same with Moses. So, you know, it's for some people, it sounds real. Because since my near-death experience with six years, I have a special ability in my wife too. So, Jesus and Maria, Matthew, and I told you, I tell you like it is.

I asked us to write this book, to write his book, to put the messages which came to us, his life, his work, in a new light, in a right light for me, because I would say much have been changed, possibly misinterpretated or disclosched. Furthermore, all the protagonists, including Jesus himself, deserve to have, I would say they are truly extraordinary and magnificent impact corrected. And their souls, golded, gilded with, I would tell you the truth, I would call it. So, the point is that the new golden age, where a lot of people are talking about, we are about to enter, or we are actually living in, must be filled with truth.

The greatest weapon on earth, this is what I think, the greatest weapon on earth, some people, I ask, "Would this a greater and greatest weapon on earth? Is it this root? Is it the fire? Is it an atomic bomb?" I don't know. So, I would tell you it's the history, because under the pan of the right chronicler, and Villein can become a hero. We know that. That is history. Just a side note here, here's another clue to the falsification. As an example, in the Egyptian texts, it's only as an example, you know Herod.

Herod is a name everybody knows from the Bible. In the Egyptian texts, which were much older, thousands of years older, Herod persecuted an infant named Horus. So, in the Bible, we have a Herod persecuted the infant Jesus. Herod or Herod simply means nothing else than hero. As the right translation, nothing more than hero. It means hero in Germany too, in our language. So, Herod or Herod means simplifying nothing more or less, and that's not a name. It's a label. It's a symbol. It's a synonym for something.

As an example, Ponzius Pilate too. This is not a name. In reality, it's a label. It's the same with many names in the Bible. Even the name Jesus Himself. This is interesting. Because this was His given name, and His birth name was much more different. And so, we make the decision, does it okay? We write this book, and let's see what comes. We never had an idea of what was coming. We never had an idea of what the researchers brought out. Brought to the surface. We never thought it, but it was amazing what we found out.

So, I would say, whatever controls the present and the future, is the person who made the history or rewritten the history. And that's why it's now crucial that we shout. It's like in the Bible, we have to shout the truth from the rooftops. What in the past? Once whispered in the alleys. Just add it, isn't it? Yeah. Oh, wow. Okay. There's a lot there. So, think about it. If you were to, you know, how can I speak? I can speak. I think that that's quite a revelation. Let's look at the biggest one that you're thinking just now.

So, you're saying that Jesus's name wasn't necessarily His real name. So, what do you mean? Exactly. Okay. We may well get to that later on. And you've also said something about Herod, meaning something else. And you're saying that these names are basically, what's the best way to put it? Well, labels are stupid. I could give you an example if you want for the name Jesus, because, you know, the reality is that every word we speak out today is not word. Every word we spoke out is a sentence. It has a meaning.

Every word has a meaning in the, in His creation. So, this means if we put, put, put, put, if you cut the name of Jesus, we have some letters. We have the J, the E, the S, the U, the S. So, you have to know that in the antique Rome, at this time, exists no J. He never was written with a J. So, in the past, in the antique Rome and all these areas, they wrote the J as an I, like Julius, Julian, Julia, everything with an I, not with a J. Later comes the J. But at this time, it only exists the I. So, we can, we can remove the J and put in the I. So, we have Jesus with the I. And the Arab people call him Issa, also with an I. The old Celtic people called him, "Ehesus," or also with an I. "Ehesus," the Celtic people called him, means in German, "Echheise," this means "I am."

The French people today say to I am Jiswee, says, they say Jesus. Though, if you put the I, you have an English too, I means I, I am, I, my person. And if you see the S, this means on the old traditional way, your soul. I am my soul, I am something is in English we have the I. It's like Isis, the Egyptian goddess, like Issaise, like Ishta, like we have an Azyris. In a lot of words and the whole world, this is the meaning of Is. And the ending of Jesus is US, US. This is typically for this time, because all the Roman names, from Roman humans, which were male, were Marcus, Antónius, Julius, Augustus, Pilatus, they all end with the US.

This is typically for this time. This means also, because you, in English, you have a too. You say us to a community, to we, to you and me, we are us. Though the name Jesus means nothing else than I am. And also we are. This is what God is. God is inside of us. God is we. God is you. God is inside of us. And this is the symbolic meaning of this ISUS. It's really interesting. But it's only, but we are only on the surface, because etymology is a really, really interesting topic. Yeah, I agree. I think it's my, I think it is.

And actually, as soon as you said about Blacks in not having J, or at least vengeance, or any act, I didn't suppose, Italian, of course, which is direct ruse, right? Or has come from it. Doesn't have a J either. Right? Who said I can be? I was a good point. It's interesting. Okay, so why? Why did you choose to present these ideas as a novel instead of a non-fiction spiritual or historical book? Because surely some people would love all these facts. You know, like we've been saying in the last three minutes.

Yeah. Oh, this is a really hard question, but it have a really simple answer. You know, the truth eludes most people because of their disbelief. True history is far more compelling, it's my opinion, than any conspiracy theory. The existing narratives and dogmas, let's call it this, have been cemented for over 2000 years. So it's not easy making it incredibly difficult to tear down old rules and establish new ones. The truth can sometimes be painful. You know that. We all know that. Sometimes the truth is painful and many people have built their lives around their own bubble, their own suffering.

Let's remember, we people do that. Yeah. Not knowing who they truly are. Yeah. Who I am. And we have experienced through countless letters from readers, from thousands in the past because this book Jesus twins also. I wrote six years ago in Germany, so we had six years to see what do the people think about that we have thousands of letters. From readers that many begins to remember really they remember they got they recognize and again, thereby recognize their true selves. Something is, I would say something is activated in them, a kind of spark that sets a process in movement and motion.

Therefore, it's important, I think, that we present this book as a novel. It's really important because as a fictionalized version of history, everyone know or everyone now has his own opportunity. Everybody can make decisions by himself to draw his own personal truth out of it, which could be truth, which could be fiction. And furthermore, and this is important, it makes it and this is one really important thing. It makes it unassailable and untouchable by certain institutions. Because I would think we would have much more problems if I would publish it as a historian book.

And so we can... Because we found really a lot of proofs in historical textus that something was wrong or is rewritten. 100 years ago, if I would read the books of death in Egypt, I had to travel to Egypt about a ship or something else, about weeks. I have to go to the temples to study the textus or the people you'll take. I have to have a translation or a translator and all this stuff. It needs months and years over researchers to connect the points. Today, it's the best time ever the humanity has to do that.

Because we have the microfilms, we have everything in the web, we have everything readable, we have translated it. I can go on the internet and read the Egyptian book of death. It's amazing. We never had this opportunity before in our life or in the complete humanity. And this is amazing. So I think actually is the time to think another way, to take more questions in the field. This is really important. You know in my book of King Solomon, I said that the third temple, the second temple, never was in Jerusalem.

I say it was in Spain. And we have 200 archaeological and historical and descriptions where we had truths. But we have in Jerusalem not one other biblical proof. This brings some questions in the field we have to do, I think. It's only our thing that we are here on earth to ask questions. It's interesting. I think you are right. I think you are. I've heard a lot about the story of religions and things being in different areas. If you see a whole, there's especially something about something in Spain.

Just trying to remember what it is. But I can't, anyway, I can't really remember. I know that, for instance, we have the popes in the Catholic Church being more than one pope, yes. So that could well be true, could not. So if you're thinking about trying to bring people into your book without causing too many object, I guess, I'm not having a historical book rather than going for the fictional side of things. Who is the ideal reader for the Jesus twins? I mean, is it anybody or is it someone who is already interested in religion and history?

Yeah. It is an interesting question. What's that question? Who the real or the ideal reader for Jesus twins is? Yeah, I mean, is it interesting anybody or is this somebody who has an interest in religion or history? Yeah, I would say I wouldn't want to generalize it because basically anyone has realized that sometimes religion isn't the same as faith or believe it. For a lot of people today, it is a different thing. What the church created, Jesus wanted an average church and all this stuff. But they are believers too.

They believe in Jesus Christ. So a lot of people today do not believe in religion, but in Jesus Christ, it's a really different thing. So Jesus never intended to creation a religion. This is what he never said because it's just an institution, concerned with faith, but faith can take many forms and be individual for everybody in the world. You believe in can be individual. I talk to Jesus not with pranks from the Bible. I talk to him like a brother. It's my way. So everybody do it another way. Even as a child, I prayed a lot to God and Jesus.

It was interesting because my family didn't do that, but I did it as the only one after my near death experience with six. But I know that I never crowed it from the Bible. Instead, I spoke this as said to him by own words. Personally, privately. This is, I think, really important. And every person with an open mind should feel invited to convince himself to read, to acquire knowledge and his own wisdom. Instead of simply following the guidelines that a system provides. This is what I think everybody has to find his own way of believing.

And so the ideal reader, I cannot say who's the ideal reader. I would say everybody who's searching for his self, for herself, to find God, who's one use book, the name is finding God, and have questions. And you know, the Bible himself has four gospels. These are the ones they took in in this book. But a lot of people did not know what I do not know that there are exist 27 gospels. Also the apocryphic gospels. And I have someone want to discuss with me about the Bible because it's not possible.

While they say every word is God's word, it's nothing rewritten from your human person. You cannot discuss. It's not possible at that moment. It's a dogma, it's a narrative. And I recommend that this point to say, "Okay, so I would suggest that you read another 23 gospels too." And then after that we came together. Okay, let's make it this way. I don't know. Because you will see that will open your mind because knowledge gives you wisdom, only knowledge, to make the right decisions for you in your life.

Well, that's interesting actually when you talk about people who take the words of the Bible, the Old Testament and the New Testament as completely true. And there's kind of any mistakes in it because it's God's word or the Holy Spirit that has crushed the right as towards it. And yet as you say, there are other philosophers around. And then so that opens up a whole debate about that, isn't it? It's quite interesting really. Yeah, gosh, you must have had a really good time of sort of researching this and putting it together.

So one makes to Jesus twins different from other books about Jesus, ancient history or spiritual awakening. Obviously I'm drawn towards some other books that would be made into movies either last, you know, couple of decades or something. I would say there exists multiple thousands of books about Jesus in the world, absolutely, yeah. But yeah. There are many points we could mention. Yes, there are a lot of other books as well. Absolutely. I admit that my book isn't easy to read. It's what I really say.

It's not easy to read because it not only contains a wealth of hidden wisdom and knowledge. This is really inside too. I read the Sumerian uniforms on all this stuff and do Mesopotamian scripts from ancient texts, from text is in Ireland. It's really interesting to do from Egypt, which are more relevant, I would say, than ever for our time. But it also reveals that we can find all the protagonists from the Bible really in the Roman records. It's what I said on their different names. We found and identified them in the book.

So we've published also family trees and illustrated. And so you have a look at them more than once to see the connections. It was really important for me because there are a lot of different names and you have to combine it. You have to connect the points and so I made this family trees. So it's really complex around. But we have around meanwhile more than 20, 250,000 readers in Germany in the German speaking countries like Austria and Switzerland. And they have recognized this and are really responding strongly.

I'm curious to see how the English speaking audience will react in the future. This is really interesting. I would love it. Furthermore, I think there's a very special aspect to this. Also my wife and I, we were, yeah, I will tell it like this. My wife and me, we were present during this event. I would say we were eyewitnesses in past life. And we are not just reporting on this makes this book special. We are not just reporting historical researchers, but also connecting it with our own memories from regression therapies and all this stuff.

This is really interesting. And then after that we searched for historical proofs of that. So we combine all this together archaeology, etymology, and this crypts himself. What we could find. So yes, it is an extraordinary and a unique book because it tells a different story. One that did not take place where we are told. And the stories have been partially relocated. Names were changed. And we have many clues and pieces of evidence for this in the book. So look for yourself and read it for yourself and make your own picture for that and your own thoughts about it.

Do you know what that sounds absolutely? You mentioned something about not having conspiracy theories. It sounds like it should be something that you had to read it. Yes. But you're actually thinking about why all of this is happening. Is it a mystery? Is there a conspiracy theory behind it? Why am I reading this? Is it because I want to see this spiritual side or the religious side? There's so many aspects to this, I think, and can't species, isn't it? But what you really have to know that there is a conspiracy theory behind it in the Jesus story.

I don't know if you know that, but I think some years ago there were two book authors from Canada, one Jewish and one Christian. And they published a book. They found a gospel in Syria from the first century after Christ. And in this book and in this gospel, they talk about that Jesus knows a lot of the secrets in Rome from the emperor himself. So he was involved in high political situations and high political conspiracies because this was a really, really hard time. It was the time of emperor Augustus.

And it was a fight for the throne. And there were a lot of families murdered killed for the truth. And so he was, this is what this gospel said, involved in some of these things. And this is exactly what we found out too. And I reveal in the book in which conspiracy theories he was involved. It has a sense. And it has a meaning. And it has a, yeah, you have to think about why did they kill 11 of the 12 disciples? Why such a lot? And the Christianity himself was at this time not, not really big. And it was a movement, yes.

But it was not so big that it was a, that it was dangerous for the Roman Empire or it was dangerous for the Jewish believing himself. Not so big that they have to kill such a lot of people, but they did it. And the real reason about that, this is what we asked and we searched for proofs, for hints, for clues of all this. And we found a lot of things which we reveal in this book. You really got me thinking now. You know, you're right though, aren't you? If they got rid of all of those people for something that was literally just a bit of a movement, you know, perhaps there is something behind all of this.

Yeah. Well, we're running out of time unfortunately, but let me ask you one last question, might you? So you read us, when they finish your book, what do you want them to come away with? What question? What feeling? What thoughts do you want them to come away with? Wow, that's a really good question for last question. Look, Chris, this question is also, I think a personal question and it can be different for every one. This book does something we saw in the last years. It makes it does something with the people that can be every time individual did Jesus, for example, died for our sins.

I don't think though, I think this is narrative and I wrote about it, but you can make your own. He thought, "personal responsibility." That's what he taught in his scripts, "personal responsibility." And every person, as what he said too, can activate his own Christ within. And forgive the same self with God's help. And what were his true teachings? This is also a question which is much older than Jesus himself. This also concerns the teaching as an example what the old high priest taught in Egypt did.

If you combine these two scripts and read what he wrote and what Jesus wrote, you would think that what taught wrote what Jesus is really interesting and some Mesopotamian scripts also. In our more recent book, "Finding God as an example, my new one," but it's not actually in English available about the messages of the high priest you can read more about that. But the word Christ also, for example, or Christos Christ, the anointed one, whatever, can also be found. We have to think about that on the tom of Tutankhamun.

We can found this word on the tom of Tutankhamun, which is thousands years older. The question might be, "Is it more than what we are told? Do I carry the Christ within me?" different questions. It's about recognizing, it's about, I think, understanding and questioning things from the Alps. Jesus and Horus, and that's true, had more than 200 undeniable similarities. Who compiled and re-structured these narratives? This story, this is a question. Borrowing? I don't know, from another teachings and re-riding.

He has more human. He was more human than I think some people think. I'd call him ever my brother. Because you have to know, there was one people. It was after Christ. There was a people they call them "clements of Alexandria in Egypt." It is described and it is a fact that you can read that the church later comes to this climate of Alexandria to borrow some people who would say fairy tales, some people would say real stories, but much more older than they borrowed them from the Bible. We can read it by Alexandria in Alexandria from the climate of Alexandria in Egypt.

This is the reason for example also in the Egypt believing the goddess Isis, which is the same picture. She holds Horus exactly like Maria held Jesus. And Isis was officially born in Egypt, scripts on the 8th of September. The Christian church tells us that Maria is born on the 8th of September. So we have such a lot of similarities. This is unbelievable. I found more than 200. Sometimes we have to find ourselves the truth which things could be absolutely true and exact like this way. And which things could be possible happened in another way.

And what wanted to hide them from us? Well, on that note, it's how it's pretty. It's for retired, for new funds. Which is a real shame. This is fascinating. We should drink beer or go to some coffee shop and talk about this without it. Absolutely. It's quite amazing. Because it makes sense. Why completely rewrite things? It's something else that you can use as a based text. Hans Peter Fryer von Liechtenstein. It's been wonderful talking to you and hearing this particular book, the Jesus Twins and the Countless incarnations.

Can you tell us about your website or your social media? People can hook up with you. This is one of these. And the other one, the Fryer von Liechtenstein.com. And under these two addresses, you can find it. But it's not actually completed. You would say find out your own truth. That is a really fascinating thing. It is a trip for life to find out that things. And for me, it makes joy. For me, it was amazing. Every time I'm sitting there and we real new stuff, it's like, "Oh my God, it's so amazing."

What we find out today, this is the time of revelation. This is the Apocalypse. The Apocalypse means not that atomic bomb falls and fire is over all. It means in his own sense, etymology. It means revelation and nothing else. It's fascinating stuff, honestly. Well, Hans Peter Fryer von Liechtenstein, the Eurpholome. Thank you very much for joining me on author conversations. I'd be Chris Bavaria, but I think, yeah, get involved with it. You can see how emotional I am about thinking about these various aspects of things that I've believed throughout my life.

And now I'm thinking, "Well, hang on a second, it could be different angles to all of it." So, Hans Peter, thank you for helping to open that up. Let's hope that people actually think about things in their own way as well, as you've said. Leave a comment down below everybody, get involved in the conversation, and let's see what we go from there. So, Hans Peter, thank you again for joining me. It's been a pleasure to meet you. Yeah, one blessing through everybody and God bless you. And I think the only thing right to handle it is to sit with friends with the family together and discuss about it, because Jesus said, "If two or more people talk about me, I'm here.

I'm here. I'm with you." And I think this is the time that a lot of more people do that. So, thank you very much. No problem at all. Okay, well, thank you. And let's hope you need to get into better another position. Thanks very much for joining me. Thank you very much. Bye-bye Chris. Thank you. Thank you. Bye-bye. If you enjoyed this conversation, you can watch more author conversations here. [Music]